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Re: BSG Off-Topic Thread
« Reply #450 on: November 09, 2012, 04:40:38 AM »
The whole thing is greenscreen? That worries me. I mean, that new viper bay is a clever design, bigger and more detailed than the physical sets and overall pretty impressive. But in motion, will it look like a videogame?
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« Reply #451 on: November 09, 2012, 05:23:39 AM »
I think, for the big, impressive set pieces, like the viper bay, it'll probably work pretty well. I'm more worried about the scenes where there isn't anything like that going on, like the shot of Adama and another guy standing in front of a wall. That shot really looks like it's a CG wall greenscreened in behind the guy. I just hope I only picked up on that because of what the article was saying.

On the other hand, it does say, that there's not a single shot in the thing longer than three seconds, so maybe I'll be too distracted being bounced from shaky-cam to shaky-cam to notice.
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« Reply #452 on: November 09, 2012, 09:37:19 AM »
Here's the first episode.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=pT79x4qM4FE

A fully armored and decked out Galactica was pretty cool, but man they've blown up the CIC to make it more active.  The same goes for the flight deck scenes.  At times it seemed as if they had just filled in the background, simply because they could...or just to have something going on.  Maybe they figure that if something is going on or the background isn't in focus, we won't notice the CGI as much.

I didn't think it was bad and I've certainly seen worse, but now that's all I'm going to be looking for.  

I don't like the gunmetal gray Vipers.  I think they just look better with a paint job....also Galactica now has far more gun emplacements than she did later on.  This is strange in that, she did a fairly decent job holding off Basestars with fewer weapons, so now why with more guns isn't she stomping Basestars left and right.  Unless the Cylons outnumber the Colonials by some great deal.

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Re: BSG Off-Topic Thread
« Reply #453 on: November 09, 2012, 11:31:22 AM »
Ok watched the eps. Cocky talented rookie, jaded bitter veterans, a routine mission that goes unexpectedly off the rails. It's fairly predictable so far.

Haven't watched it full screen in hi def yet but, the CG looks acceptable. Except for few scenes in the hangar bay that were super-fake.

Also yeh, I think a designer had a sketch of galactica, doodled some extra gun turrets on and thought "lol why not".

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« Reply #454 on: November 09, 2012, 12:13:59 PM »
Maybe the older guns had a slower rate of fire, so there are more?  And they might have removed guns as a cost cutting measure.  Who knows? 

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« Reply #455 on: November 11, 2012, 04:24:40 PM »
In other somewhat related BSG news, Katee Sachoff and Tricia Helfer have a charity called Acting Outlaws.  The reason I mention it, is because they're releasing a calendar, featuring themselves in various states of undress.
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« Reply #456 on: November 15, 2012, 06:11:51 AM »
I have now watched the eps as well. One of the first thing I noted was that BSG has now apparently added lens flares to its repertoire of regrettable modern inventions in cinematography, along with the shakycam and the constant cutting. And the greenscreen'd backgrounds looked pretty much exactly as I expected them to. It's not like we haven't seen this sort of thing before. I hope this way of making TV doesn't catch on too much, because all of the big complicated backgrounds were distracting, plus I always get the feeling of watching moving cardboard cutouts when I see people composited into a 3D scene. Incidentally, I'm pretty sure I saw one place where they greenscreen'd in some people walking between Adama and Corker while they were talking. Meanwhile, the static scenes looked pretty much like people in front of greenscreens with CG background added in, not like people in a room. At least to me.

But enough griping about the visuals. I thought it was a nice touch that they played a variation on the old BSG theme the first time they showed the Galactica. I laughed out loud when someone apparently dropped a spanner very loudly to cover for someone saying 'sh*t' (a bit like how I used an asterisk back there). I'm not really bothered with the changes to the Galactica. My interpretation is that wartime ship was something of a crash-design, and had many features that turned out to be inefficient or needless with experience, like the huge CIC or the Viper Shelve Storage System, or the extra guns, and all of those things were refitted out after the war.

As for the story, I'm intrigued. I'm not sure I'm buying this as Adama 40 years ago, and I'm a bit annoyed by dr. Kelly, who was established during the course of 3 scenes to be the eyecandy/love interest/hardass/software engineer/mysterious connections/shady past - (deep breath) - character. It's a lot of stuff in not a lot of time for one character. Although I do get that they're a bit pressed for time, what with having to dedicate two of the longest single shots so far to showing people standing around in elevators with no walls (sorry, I guess I had some griping left). I mean having only an hour or two to play with.

But I definitely want to see where all this is going.
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Re: BSG Off-Topic Thread
« Reply #457 on: November 23, 2012, 06:58:14 AM »
Ok so Ep 3 is Adama being a crazy hotshot and showing us his piloting skillz. 4 we learn about super secret missions. Definitely excited to see what happens next.

I like the cramped, dirty feel of the Osiris, it's a bit like a submarine. I'm surprised tho to see that Valkyrie is around at this time - I thought that class was more recent, it looks like a smaller cousin of the Pegasus.

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« Reply #458 on: November 23, 2012, 02:59:23 PM »
I didn't see it till ep 5, but the Osiris actually has the exterior features of a sub, including a conning tower, of sorts.
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Re: BSG Off-Topic Thread
« Reply #459 on: November 26, 2012, 04:19:39 AM »
Ep 5 - battles and shooting and explosions!

Osiris is clearly outmatched by a base-ship, but it's pretty small for a Battlestar. Also rather more agile than Galactica.

I wonder why they didn't just shoot the nukes to begin with? Maybe they get intercepted by cylon missions. That or they were too close, because of the law of tv-scifi that says ships have to duke it out at point blank range.

I wonder if the name is a reference to Final Flight of the Osiris?


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Re: BSG Off-Topic Thread
« Reply #460 on: November 26, 2012, 04:44:23 PM »
I have to say this: The quality of the CG models is laughable, but the animations are fantastic.

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« Reply #461 on: November 30, 2012, 09:12:51 AM »
Episodes 7 & 8...which are both pretty short.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNHMfK65mnU

I don't like that they've just completely overwritten everything that happened in the Razor Flashbacks.  Also, how are they losing a war against killer robots that can be defeated by hitting them in the chest with a metal bar?  I like how the Cylons look like big lumbering hulks of death dealing machinery, even though it sort of goes against their more graceful and and practical design styles we've seen before, but letting one get beat down so easily really takes away from their menacing factor.  Maybe the Cylons simply outnumber the Colonials by some huge advantage or they've managed to dominate in space to the point that individual engagements between ground forces don't matter that much.  Either way, the Cylons we're seeing here are a poor substitute for their slashing and machine-gunning siblings we're used to seeing.

I'm also getting more distracted by that sort of blurry dream sequence filter they've cast over everything.  I guess it helps hide the CGI backgrounds, but it's distracting and just makes things look more fake.  I would expect that sort of style if there were in the VR world that we saw in Caprica, but outside of that things should look better.  I don't remember Caprica having this problem, at least not in the normal everyday settings that we routinely saw.  Granted, we're not seeing any everyday sets here, but it would be nice to see the actors in focus and not look all blurry when the camera is focused on them, regardless of what is in the background.
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Re: BSG Off-Topic Thread
« Reply #462 on: December 02, 2012, 10:06:53 AM »
Ep7: we are man and woman alone in the ruins. You have emotional baggage and I am comforting. We must bone!

Ep8: in which centurions are revealed to be pretty bad in hand to hand combat.

I don't recall the razor flashbacks all that well. What about them has been contradicted?

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« Reply #463 on: December 02, 2012, 10:50:17 AM »
I might be remembering incorrectly, but I thought Adama's first posting was aboard the Galacitca as a Viper pilot during the last battle of the war.  They could still do that without much trouble, I suppose by making him a Viper pilot later on.  Also, I think they used the same Viper and Raptor models in Razor as were being used during the rest of series and Galactica wasn't as beefed up with armor and guns.  Also I didn't they use the old/new Cylons that looked more like the Cylons from the first series.

To be honest, I haven't seen it since I first watched the DVD, so my memory of it isn't that fresh either.  So I could be completely wrong and in retrospect, most of that stuff isn't huge anyway.

Interesting bit of info, for those that might be interested, I was just reading a post on Facebook from Doug Drexler who said the Vipers we're seeing in the miniseries are Mark III's.  Hopefully we'll get some ortho's soon of the Viper and the Raptor so we can clearly see the difference in each model.
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Re: BSG Off-Topic Thread
« Reply #464 on: December 07, 2012, 10:04:01 AM »
The finale is up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mH8EDRptVAQ

There's a nice twist near the end.
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« Reply #465 on: December 11, 2012, 06:11:59 AM »
I was kinda hoping we'd see Galactica herself in action (with all those extra turrets).

Anyways it's been a decent blast of action and adventure. Not really much of the philosophising we associate with BSG, except for a bit of "war is hell".

Wonder how the humanoid-prototype fits into the timeline. The skinjobs were designed by the humanoid-cylons from earth, right? Is this one of their early efforts, or something the toasters came up with themselves before that?

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« Reply #466 on: January 28, 2013, 04:21:29 PM »
Doug Drexler has posted an poster for the MK III Viper.

You can see clearly now the sort of mashup style between the Mk II and the Mk VII.

Also, Blood and Chrome airs on syfy, Feb 10.  Apparently there will be additional scenes, though they'll also be on the DVD/Bluray.
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« Reply #467 on: January 29, 2013, 12:30:59 AM »
Interesting.  Though this begs the question as to why the Galactica had Mk II's in BSG and what had happened to the Mk III's (especially since it was Adama's Mk II that they showed off in the mini-series)...  Keep in mind I haven't seen Blood and Chrome yet, so if it explains it then all the better.
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« Reply #468 on: January 29, 2013, 03:15:25 AM »
It doesn't explain it, at least not that I recall.  I'm pretty sure Adama had a MK II in the Razor flashbacks as well.  Either way, it does make it strange that the mk II was such a big deal later on when they're not even in use any more during B&C, sort of like Galactica with the extra guns.  Though perhaps they were planning to go back to using mk II's for some reason and were planning to switch back later in the series.  If nothing else, it would have played nicely with the whole, This has happened before and will happen again angle."
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« Reply #469 on: January 29, 2013, 11:21:59 PM »
Very nice.
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« Reply #470 on: February 05, 2013, 09:39:23 AM »
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« Reply #471 on: February 05, 2013, 06:13:12 PM »
I would love to get a better look at it, but photobucket continues to suck...  Found a way around that issue by clicking the "direct link" option.  Although it doesn't let me zoom in all that much...

While I can't read much, I do notice that it says the big guns on the Galactica have a crew of 3 (each) and I think it calls the CIWS guns "Anti-aircraft particle weapons".
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« Reply #472 on: April 07, 2013, 10:58:43 PM »
So I finally got around to watching Blood and Chrome the other day.  I enjoyed it.  A shame we didn't get to see Galactica herself in action, but I liked the older Raptor model and it was nice to see that the Colonials had some ship variety in their fleets and they weren't all just big Battlestars.  I wonder if that Valkyrie was the same Valkyrie seen in BSG, I don't think they ever showed it in the Ghost Fleet shots.  I liked the Osiris, but she seemed pretty fragile, the Base ship/star/whatever's missiles looked like they almost went through her.

The VR bands looked a lot more clunky than the ones on Caprica, of course, the military may use more robust but clunkier looking models than civilians.  Regarding the proto-humanoid Cylon, was it just me, or did she sound a lot like Number Six.  Speaking of, the Viper pilot that was escorting Adama's Raptor who Coker told about his kid looked familiar, I think he was Pegasus' CAG when they first introduced the ship.

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I might be remembering incorrectly, but I thought Adama's first posting was aboard the Galacitca as a Viper pilot during the last battle of the war.  They could still do that without much trouble, I suppose by making him a Viper pilot later on.  Also, I think they used the same Viper and Raptor models in Razor as were being used during the rest of series and Galactica wasn't as beefed up with armor and guns.  Also I didn't they use the old/new Cylons that looked more like the Cylons from the first series.

I don't remember them saying Adama's first posting on Galactica was the last battle of the war.  With regards to the Cylons, perhaps the models in the B&C were infantry types whereas the pilot types look like the ones from the original series.

Also of contradiction, the Basestar/ship/whatever that showed up and got kamakazied by the Osiris looked a lot like the one the prototype-Hybrid used in Razor, whereas the Razor flashbacks had shown (IIRC) original series styled Basestars.  Of course it's possible that the Cylons had different types of ships as well.
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